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15 comments
Apparently 12step has not actually bothered to look into the statistics.
March 7, 2010 at 10:09:00 AM EST1 in 7 people are in need of foodbank services including "soup kitchens" (they are called prepared and perishable food programs, heaven forbid the godly 12step actually go thought a thought process before he writes) according to the recent 2009 FeedingAmerica research.
That means 43,000,000 some people need "soup kitchens" in America.
Much like the millions who needed it in the Great Depression.
The only reason that this figure is not higher is because of the multitude of entitlement and private programs in place to prevent hunger in The USA: Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program ("food stamps" for 12step), Commodity Supplemental Food Programs, Food Distribution Programs on Indian Reservations, Emergency Food Assistance Program, Nutritional Services Incentive Program, Food Distribution Disaster Program, National School Lunch Program, Aster-School Snack Program, School Breakfast Program, Special Milk Program, Summer Food Service Program , Seamless Summers, Back Pack Program, Child and Adult Food Program, Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, WICS Farmer's Market Nutrition Program, Older Americans Act Nutrition Program just to name a few.
Food Insecurity is the inability to access adequate quality or quantities of food in a socially acceptable way. It often means choosing whether you eat, or your children eat, choosing to buy groceries, or pay the electric bill.
Even with this wide array of programing, 18 of America's 50 states populations experience food insecurity below the US average (which essentially means, the average population in that state lives below the poverty line). An additional 5 states are considered food insecure. I'd say, with 23 states with some sort of food insecurity ranking, a great many people know exactly what it is like to "be poor".
(information can be found at FeedingAmerica.org, by visiting any of their associated food banks, or in any current community nutrition text book, such as Marie Boyle's publications)
So 12Step, once again, think before you spout your stupidity. Oh, and Business forums are still part of the forums which you claimed to leave in your dismal little manifesto. Why don't you remain a man of your words? Or is having that kind of backbone beyond your comprehension?
-abit
The point was missed in this thread.
March 7, 2010 at 10:27:00 AM ESTPrograms like food stamps were established * AS A RESULT * of the Great Depression. Thanks to programs like this, we are not seeing massive bread lines now. We might not be in the same situation as in the 1930s, but it's plenty bad. Lucky for 12 and others who aren't feeling the pinch.
I wish guys like 12Step would go away and stay away-- they give their entire gender a bad name.
March 7, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM EST"All generalizations are false, including this one"-- and 12Step proves the stereotype of a stupid, overdominating, testosterone-addicted male.
misfits
March 7, 2010 at 2:20:00 PM ESTmisfits says:
kikasfancy says:
Re: the thread title.
Yes, poverty is hilarious.
And I don't get the argument. In one breath it's stated that the outlet mall is packed with cars, in another that everyone is loaded with plastic. How the heck do folks think the Great Depression started, anyways?
-- Actually there were no credit cards then...
And just in case no one has already mentioned this, but during the "Great Depression" people really had it bad: there was no Soc Sec or funding. It didn't start until after the Depression. Actually it was created so that we wouldn't have it happen like that again.
Pre Great Depression, toward the end of WW1, many families couldn't feed their children, so they sent them away to live with other families. That went on during the Great Depression.
If you didnpt learn that in school, thak your teachers for that. It is History, our History. Learn it before you argue it.
Credit cards were not even in the dreams at that time.
Greed has a lot to do with this, today.
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You're kidding me, right? People didn't have Visa cards in their wallets, therefor debt had nothing to do with the Great Depression?
Read up, Ms "Learn it before you argue it":
http://tinyurl.com/qzqb5
High consumer debt doesn't require a plastic card, and as with today, banks depended on money that didn't actually exist to accrue more wealth which doesn't actually exist. It was a house of cards then, and it's a house of cards now.
I don't know what "greed" you are referring to, but today's greed is in the hands of corporations, as it was in '29. If you can't see the parallels, you have no business accusing me of ignorance.
(And yes, my great aunt was one of those "sent away children".)
Your schooling didn't seem to include spelling, let alone Our History, or any critical thinking...
So many of the available programs are HUGE secrets, or people have the idea that if they have ANYTHING they can't get any help... so families end up homeless,hungry, sick with no care.
March 7, 2010 at 2:34:00 PM ESTThere's very little in the way of services that make it clear that they do (or might) cover adults without kids... Those programs are the hardest to get any information on.
It can happen to anyone at any time... we're all just one disaster from Losing It All.
While waiting on my disability claim (3 years and a hearing to finally get it) I was fortunate that I had family able to help, or my daughter and I would have been homeless.
So many people work full time at jobs that barely pay more than the minimum wage. That gal in the call center probably does NOT make $10 and hour... she may or may not have health coverage or a retirement plan through the job.
If she has kids, she may still need help with daycare costs, food or rent costs, energy costs, medical...
It's worse if it's not a full time job with specific regular hours because then there are Employers who SEEM to enjoy jerking people around about their hours.
(one week putting them over the income line for help, two weeks waaay under the income line for help...etc.)
Families can have two parents working and STILL need assistance.
As demand on the food pantries goes up, donations have gone down.
Fewer people are able to make the donations that they used to, or hesitate because they don't know where the ax is going to fall next.
Families that NEVER needed assistance before, Parents who never expected to be out of work,
are finding themselves on Unemployment and applying for assistance. Taking pick up jobs as they come along. People who have skills, training and more than a decade in skilled trades and tech fields.
Recent graduates are finding themselves with tech degrees and working customer service. If they're lucky they get a spot with something like Geek Squad, if not it's "Can I help you find what you are looking for today?" jobs.
One recent grad with Tech degree, is currently working in a bindery... $15/hr decent health coverage, union... but he knows that as the seasons go up and down, there can be lay offs at any time. He doesn't know if he'll ever get into his field, or if the current job will ever become something better.
...and then there are his student loans... Which he took out with the expectation that the tech fields were only going to grow and he'd be in huge demand.
He's doing better than his classmate who actually has a repair job in a small computer store.
Just because the issue is invisible in suburbia doesn't mean the problem isn't there. If it weren't for the social programs instituted during and since the Great Depression, the poverty would be MUCH more visible.
If you are sitting in Starbucks, you may just be in the wrong neighborhood to see the line for the homeless shelter or the soup kitchen. You may also be ignoring suburban neighbors who have relatives who have moved in with them, or who are negotiating new terms on their mortgages to stay in their homes.
You also don't see the suburban neighbors who are going to the "bad neighborhoods" to stand in line at the food pantry/soup kitchen or to apply for assistance.
Suffering is all around you, just because it's invisible to you, doesn't mean there's no need for compassion.
(Oddly enough, I've noticed that when the "comfortable in suburbia" people hit hard times, they've got NO hesitation to run to the aid agencies to ask for help that is "owed" to them. Guess what, the gal in the call center pays taxes too, and still needs help.)
and the issue is still: 12Step is a fishbowl-stirring jerkoff.
March 7, 2010 at 9:43:00 PM ESTOh, he explained it himself!
March 7, 2010 at 9:57:00 PM EST"The bitches on here are usually fat, single, with cat fetishes that haven't seen a real penis are are too unpleasant to have women like them so they can't even that the lesbian route.
Not all the women in here, just enough of them to make this room unpleasant.
Happy people are either out on Friday nights or spending time with their families. They are not on Etc degrading people because it makes them feel better about their own physical and internal ugliness.
And with that I'm going to go back to spending time with my family.
12 "
It's all about 12Step's penis, obviously.
How is this person, who continually verbally abuses a entire gender (on a majority female site) allowed to continue in this fashion? Is insulting one person in particular more horrid than insulting a huge number of them?
Or is it only important to mute people who tell truths that might embarrass specific Etsy staff????
I think 12's entire purpose with that thread was to get certain regulars riled up. While he started that thread he also went to another thread in ETC to pick a fight.
March 8, 2010 at 8:23:00 AM ESTThe page 9 fish reference was classy too. I think I shall not take the bait anymore.
I do find it hilarious and fitting that's he's got such an admirer in Arizona Art Tiles, though. Like to like, and all that.
March 8, 2010 at 3:47:00 PM ESTWhat continues to disturb me are the otherwise intelligent women who *still*, despite every abusive and misogynistic post he spews, find him harmless, charming, amusing and lovable.
March 8, 2010 at 9:14:00 PM ESTIntelligence and self-esteem do not necessarily go together hand-in-hand.
March 9, 2010 at 7:47:00 PM ESTI imagine the women who find the likes of him charming and amusing have their own self-esteem issues.
I think sometimes he's a jerk. I don't agree with everything he says.
March 12, 2010 at 9:47:00 AM ESTBut I will NOT write him off as completely worthless because he sometimes talks about a group of women the way that 'progressive' women talk about men every day.
Does anyone else find the strange meeting for Arizona- a mysterious new angry seller, and 12 Step pissed off seller with a chip on his shoulder a bit..well odd?
March 13, 2010 at 1:12:00 PM ESTMaybe someone needs to do alittle digging around and see if 12 has a friend or an admirer early on.
I find Arizona a little too pissed and 12 a little to quiet for my tastes. Something stinks here- and it's not just 12's ass!
Coming from 12Step, it is no surprise! This is not the first time he has posted something disgusting and angering in the forums.
March 14, 2010 at 3:17:00 PM EDTErika said...
March 21, 2010 at 7:41:00 PM EDTWhat continues to disturb me are the otherwise intelligent women who *still*, despite every abusive and misogynistic post he spews, find him harmless, charming, amusing and lovable.
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Kika Perhaps you may be mistaken about the "otherwise intelligent" part.
His tiny fan club is actually quite consistent in their poor judgment.
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